Audi and Porsche bosses set for crunch meeting on 2025 F1 engines

While discussions involving team bosses and engine supplier representatives have been ongoing for some time regarding the future rules, tomorrow's high-level gathering will consider the global picture and what the major car manufacturers want from F1.

The hope is that the 2025 rules will encourage new OEMs and specifically the VW Group to enter the sport, with one source describing the meeting as a "last chance" to convince the German giant to finally make a commitment.

The manufacturer CEOs/chairmen taking part include John Elkann (Ferrari), Luca de Meo (Alpine/Renault) and Ola Kallenius (Mercedes), while the VW Group will be represented by Audi chairman and overall group R&D head Markus Duesmann, and by Porsche CEO Oliver Blume.

Dietrich Mateschitz, whose Red Bull Powertrains division will field its own Honda-based PU from next season, has also been invited to attend.

Also present will be Stefano Domenicali and Ross Brawn for F1, and Jean Todt for the FIA.

The debate will revolve around the balance between combustion engines and hybrid power, and the role of sustainable fuels.

Red Bull's entry as an engine supplier has added a new dynamic to discussions as the company has no reason to push for road relevance, and obviously is even keener than the manufacturers to keep a lid on development costs.

McLaren team principal Andreas Seidl, whose team could be one of the possible candidates for a future partnership with VW/Audi, says that the definitive 2025 rules will have to appeal to the manufacturers.

"In the end I think it's simply important that whatever the next power unit regulations are, they need to be relevant in terms of technology," he said when asked about the 2025 engines by Motorsport.com.

"Because that's key, also in order both for keeping current manufacturers interested in F1, but also in order to attract new manufacturers. In order to work out what that is in detail, honestly, I think that's a question to be address to the OEMs or manufacturers that are involved."

However, Seidl stressed that the moment the team is not looking beyond its current deal with Mercedes: "First of all, with engagement we have now, the partnership with Mercedes, we are more than happy and we are not looking for any change regarding that.

"In general, I think for F1 it would simply be good if you could attract another manufacturer or a big OEM. It would be a great sign for F1, and the future."

Departing FIA president Todt is keen to see sustainable fuels fast-tracked into F1.

"If we could introduce it today, I would love to introduce it today," he said at the recent French GP. "That's one of the problems in F1, to get agreement on something.

"So for me, the sooner is the best. And something is sure, it will not be behind 2025. But if we could introduce earlier, I would love to do it."