Reminder and revised RFD for rec.autos.sport.rally

Just a reminder that there's two weeks left to voice your opinions on this proposal for a new group, then the proposal will go to a vote. Note that follow-ups to this post will go to news.groups and will not appear here. A revised draft charter...

Just a reminder that there's two weeks left to voice your opinions on this proposal for a new group, then the proposal will go to a vote. Note that follow-ups to this post will go to news.groups and will not appear here.

A revised draft charter appears below, with the changes people have suggested:

- The definition of "rally" now explicitly explains that it includes "speed" events like Special Stages

- A list of forms of rallying is included, since a number of people incorrectly thought the proposal was aimed at certain forms and not others; any additions to this would be very helpful

The one suggestion that hasn't been incorporated is the explicit inclusion of rallycross in the charter; despite the name, and although the cars are similar to Gp. B stage rally cars, rallycross is not a form of rallying, it is a circuit racing discipline. Articles of relevant interest to both rally and rallycross enthusiasts would of course be welcome in the new group.

REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group rec.autos.sport.rally

PROPOSED GROUPS

unmoderated group rec.autos.sport.rally

This is a formal call for debate about the idea of creating a new newsgroup for discussions about rallying. In keeping with policy this debate must be carried out in the newsgroup "news.groups" so if you have a contribution please take the time to wade through that group and make it. Opinions by e-mail to dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk are also welcome.

RATIONALE

There are a number of reasons why a rally news group would be useful.

The rec.autos.sport group has recently split into a heirarchy with specialist groups for Formula 1, NASCAR, IndyCar etc. This has largely been a success, e.g. the amount of "Indy is better than F1! No it isn't!" verbiage from rec.autos.sport has not carried over.

In the new heirarchy there is no real place for rally articles, with most being consigned to obscurity in groups like rec.autos.sport.misc. Most people with an interest in motorsport take an interest in rallying, which is the world's most popular form of motorsport. The level of rally traffic in rec.autos.sport.* does not currently reflect this popularity. A specific rally group would concentrate exisiting traffic in one place and encourage new growth.

The two road rally mailing lists have a strong and active membership. A recent need for one of them to find a new host brought home the fact that mailing list rely on the generosity of the owner of their host site. After much debate the consensus seemed to be that the best option was to find another site for mailing list, but that a UseNet newsgroup would also prove popular.

There are two obvious possibilities for the name: rec.autos.sport.rally and rec.sport.rally. There was an unfortunate tendency for the now deprecated group rec.autos.sport to attract posts about "sports models" of normal road cars, rather than motor sport, which led people to suggest the latter name for this new group. However, the split of the r.a.s group into a tree has made its intent more obvious, and recent posters of this type of article have been deliberately violating the charter. These kinds of post are impossible to prevent. The former name would place the group together with groups of a similar purpose and make it easier to find for less experienced readers of UseNet.

DRAFT CHARTER

1. The group shall be named rec.autos.sport.rally

2. It shall be unmoderated

3. The term "rally" is taken to mean any motorsport competition in which a car of a road-going type and its crew of two or more people attempt to follow a route to a set time schedule, and in which driving is expected to form a competitive element. This does include events like special stage rallies; competitors run to a schedule, but stage target times are designed to be impossible to meet.

4. Terms used for types of rallies include: Economy Run, Forest, Gimmick, Historic, Navigational, Post-Historic, Pro, Raid, Regularity, Road, Safari, Selective, Single Venue, Special Stage, Tabletop, Targa Timed, Tarmac, Time Speed and Distance (TSD), 12-Car, Vintage Run

5. The group shall be a forum for discussion on any matter concerned with any form of rallying, at any levels of cost and ability, and involvement in all roles including spectating, marshalling organisation and competing. This will include but not be limited to:

- Technical aspects of rally cars; car preparation, special parts, suspension an engine tuning, safety equipment, tyres, lights, manufacturer and dealer support - Driving techniques - Navigational and co-driving techniques and equipment; pace notes, road reading, clue solving, time management, trip meters, map lights, tactics - Comparisons of different forms of rallying, the history and ethos of the sport, its social, economic and environmental impacts - Rules and regulations, their interpretation and effect - Organisation of rallies; route planning, cost management, logistics, sponsorship, safety - The FIA World Rally Championship and other premier rally series, works teams, their drivers, cars, management, etc. - Legal matters related to rallying - Event information for potential competitors, spectators or marshals

6. "Advertising" posts, offering cars, equipment or services for sale will only be acceptable if they are directly relevant to the subject matter of the group and their distribution is strictly controlled with an appropriate "Distribution:" line

7. The following subjects in particular will NOT be welcome in the group and will be actively discouraged:

- Discussions about non-rally cars, e.g. "What headers do I use on my small block Chevy street rod?" - Advertising for non-rally cars, e.g. "Miata for sale, 28k miles" - Advertising for services unrelated to motor sport - Pointless "advocacy" and flame incitement postings, e.g. "Brand x cars are crap, brand y are brilliant" "Driver z is a complete ********" - Chain letters, pyramid schemes, spam posts, e.g. "MAKE.MONEY.FAST" and Olga's lonely hearts column

PROCEDURE

This RFD will be discussed for approximately a month in the group news.groups, and the points raised used to improve the proposal. If there is a significant change then another RFD will be drafted with a further month of discussion.

After this time, a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted, which will run for about three weeks. Voting will be by e-mail only. Each user will be allowed to cast one vote, in favour of the new group, against it, or to register an official abstention.

If the vote is passed by a majority of 2/3 and more than 100 votes the new group will be created.

DISTRIBUTION

news.announce.newgroups (moderated) news.groups rec.autos.sport.info (moderated) rec.autos.sport.misc rec.autos.sport.tech rec.autos.sport.nascar rec.autos.sport.f1 rec.autos.sport.indy

Rally-l mailing list UK Road Rally Mailing List

This proposal was drafted by David Crooke (dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk) with help from David Lawrence (tale@uunet.uu.net), Tom Haapanen (tomh@metrics.com) and Richard Miller (rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu).

-- David Crooke, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh Janet dcc@ed.dcs : Internet dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk : IP talk dcc@129.215.160.29 JCMB Rm 1408, King's Bldgs, W. Mains Rd., Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. +44 131 650 5164 E.U. Motor Sport Club now on WWW - http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/misc/local/EUMSC/

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